Meghan Markle looks at Jordan Peterson and How I Met Your Mother in new podcast

Meghan Markle today used her latest Archetypes podcast to take a swipe at popular US sitcoms How I Met Your Mother and Scrubs in a discussion about how the label ‘crazy’ is used to ‘diminish women’s credibility’.

The fifth episode of the Spotify series begins with Duchess of Sussex issues a trigger warning advising everyone to ‘tune out’ if they find the content ‘too heavy’, before slamming Hollywood for its stereotypes of ‘crazy, hot’ women.

Meghan describes how she herself has been called ‘crazy’ and ‘hysterical’ before revealing the moment – at her ‘worst point’ – Prince Harry got her a referral to a therapist. She says the anecdote shows the need to ‘be really honest about what it is you need and not be afraid to make peace with it to ask for it’.

The 41-year-old also talks about feeling ‘lonely’ and ‘like I didn’t fit in’ at school, before describing how – as an adult – she often wants to ‘feel so deep it’s like an Adele -album’, but believes she has been conditioned not to show intense emotions in public.

Today’s 55-minute edition, titled The Decoding of Crazy, begins with Meghan addressing listeners. ‘Raise your hand if you’ve ever been called crazy or hysterical or what about nuts? Crazy out of your mind, completely irrational, okay? You get the point, she says.

The Duchess then continues: ‘Now, if we were all in the same room and could see each other, I think it would be quite easy to see. How many of us just have our hands in the air? By the way, me too. And it’s no wonder when you consider how widespread these brands are in our culture.’

Meghan then plays a series of quotes, including one from the US sitcom How I Met Your Mother, where character Neil Patrick Harris, who plays the character Barney, says: ‘If she’s so crazy, she must be so hot.’ This is followed by conservative philosopher Jordan Peterson, who says: ‘I don’t think men can control crazy women’.

The third segment comes from another American sitcom, Scrubs, where fictional female doctor Elliot (Sarah Chalke) comments: ‘I can’t do it, Carla! I can’t hide the crazy one minute longer! I’m just that this big cuckoo mountain is about to erupt and spew melted mad over him and he’s going to die like this.’

After the segments aired, Meghan said: ‘Calling someone crazy or hysterical completely dismisses their experience and minimizes what they’re feeling. It keeps going to the point where anyone who has been labeled it enough times can be turned on to believe they are actually sick or sometimes worse, to the point where real problems of all kinds are ignored . Well, that’s not happening today.’

At the end of the podcast, Meghan read from a poem, Breathe by Becky Hemsley, which she said was texted to her by a friend and has acted as her ‘north star’ under Archetypes.

The strikingly personal passage describes a woman faced with conflicting expectations who continues to find solace in nature. In the end, she decides ‘one day’ to ‘ask what was best for herself’… ‘instead of trying to please everyone else’.

The new release is described as an ‘in-depth and vulnerable conversation’ with Indian actress Deepika Padukone, American comedian Jenny Slate and American actress Constance Wu, who bravely revealed how she once tried to take her own life.

Among its revelations –

  • Meghan says she has been labeled ‘crazy’, ‘hysterical’, ‘nuts’ and ‘crazy’ – although she won’t reveal who did this;
  • Says she feels “pretty strongly” about the word “crazy” and that families have been “torn apart” by its use;
  • Taking a swipe at Scrubs and How I Met Your Mother, as well as conservative philosopher Jordan Peterson;
  • Says ‘stigma’ around word-of-mouth has a ‘chilling effect’ – especially for those with ‘genuine mental health issues’;
  • Describes calling a therapist after Harry found her at a referral while she had reached ‘my lowest point’;
  • Talking about times in high school when she was ‘lonely or I didn’t fit in or there was a rumor about me’;
  • Says: ‘I want to feel so deep it’s like an Adele album… so much intense emotion and you just get it out’;
  • Actress Constance Wu describes how she attempted suicide and her feelings of ‘shame’ afterwards;
The new release is described as a 'deep and vulnerable conversation' and features actresses Deepika Padukone, Jenny Slate and Constance Wu

The new release is described as a ‘deep and vulnerable conversation’ and features actresses Deepika Padukone, Jenny Slate and Constance Wu

Meghan says in the introduction: 'Raise your hand if you've ever been called crazy or hysterical or what about nuts?'

Meghan says in the introduction: ‘Raise your hand if you’ve ever been called crazy or hysterical or what about nuts?’

In the podcast, Meghan plays a series of quotes, including one from US sitcom How I Met Your Mother, where the character Barney (played by Neil Patrick Harris, centre) says: 'If she's so crazy, she must be so hot'

In the podcast, Meghan plays a series of quotes, including one from US sitcom How I Met Your Mother, where the character Barney (played by Neil Patrick Harris, centre) says: ‘If she’s so crazy, she must be so hot’

The third segment comes from another American sitcom, Scrubs, where fictional female doctor Elliot comments: 'I can't do it, Carla!  I can't hide the crazy one minute longer!'

The third segment comes from another American sitcom, Scrubs, where fictional female doctor Elliot comments: ‘I can’t do it, Carla! I can’t hide the crazy one minute longer!’

The Duchess says the “stigma around the word ‘mad’ has a “chilling effect” – especially for those experiencing “real mental health problems”.

“They get scared,” says Meghan. ‘They remain silent, they internalize and they repress for far too long.’

At no point, while discussing being labeled “crazy,” did Meghan reveal who did it to her, but she has previously spoken of feeling suicidal while a working member of the royal family.

During her bombshell chat with Oprah Winfrey, the Duchess said her battle with mental health made her feel like she ‘wouldn’t be alive anymore’ – but she was never offered support as it ‘wouldn’t be good for the institution ‘.

At one point in today’s podcast, Meghan talks about the “damage” that calling women “crazy” can cause.

“I feel pretty strongly about this word, this label crazy, the way it’s thrown around so casually and the damage — it’s rotten (to) society and women, frankly, everywhere,” she says.

“From relationships to families being broken, reputations destroyed and careers destroyed. The stigma surrounding the word, it also has this numbing effect. This effect, women who experience real mental health problems, they become afraid, they become silent, they internalize, and they oppress far too long.’

She also said that she finds it difficult to cry as she is ‘conditioned’ to have a certain ‘kind of calm’ but she wants to ‘let it out’.

Quoting the word hysteria from the Greek for womb, the Duchess said: ‘Plato himself was actually among the Greek philosophers who believed that the womb would travel around the body and put pressure on other organs, which would then lead to erratic and unreliable behaviour.

‘By the way, DSM – the book for diagnosing mental disorders – hysteria was an actual medical diagnosis until 1980’.

Slate said: ‘Hysteria, madness, like it’s a disease of people with wombs, like people with feelings.

‘It is a definition created by a man. It is a definition meant to shame and limit a certain type of experience.’

Meghan is said to have been inspired by her podcast to launch a foundation to “empower young adults” with a million-dollar scheme (£896,000) to support women in need.

It was announced last week that she and the Duke of Sussex were involved in the charity project, which invited 14 to 18-year-olds in the US to give a grant of $1,000 (£896) to a woman of their choice.

The scheme, in partnership with The Ving Project, aims to spark the next generation of philanthropists.

Constance Wu

Jenny Slate

During today’s episode, Meghan spoke about the use of the word ‘crazy’ with American actresses Constance Wu and Jenny Slate

She was also joined by Indian actress Deepika Padukone, pictured at her wedding reception in Mumbai

She was also joined by Indian actress Deepika Padukone, pictured at her wedding reception in Mumbai

Towards the end of today’s podcast, Meghan mentioned how Harry has worked with wounded veterans through initiatives such as the Invictus Games.

The Duke made his own public appearance yesterday on a video call with winners of the WellChild Awards 2022.

During the discussion, he told nurses and doctors that Britain needs more people like them ‘to step up and help’ as it is ‘going through a lot right now’.

‘Britain is going through a lot right now. And it takes people like you to keep doing what you’re doing and inspire other people to step up and help where they can,” he said.

‘The feeling that I’ve always had, certainly in the UK, is that the general population, everybody gets it, everybody’s going to pitch in and help each other out no matter what.

‘There are certain other factions that make it difficult for people, but the way I am constantly inspired every single day is by you.

‘You don’t have to do what you do, you choose to see… I want to say thank you.’

Prince Harry appeared to take the call from his and Meghan’s shared office at their Southern California home, which is home to “two plush club chairs positioned side by side behind a single desk, facing into the room like thrones,” according to The Cut .

Meghan's podcast mentions comments from conservative philosopher Jordan Peterson who said: 'I don't think men can control crazy women'

Meghan’s podcast mentions comments from conservative philosopher Jordan Peterson who said: ‘I don’t think men can control crazy women’

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